Yes-Another near death experience question.

I find the answers atheists give to this question all seem to carry a touch of desperation, as though they will grab at anything which will deny the remotest possibility that the tens of thousands of people who have had such experiences are all the victims of their own wild ,crazy hallucinations. Most of these people state very clearly that what they have experienced bears no relationship to the dreams and hallucinationa they have experienced during their lives. We are talking about an enormous range of people, including atheists, agnostics and very young children. How do you explain verified accounts of people who have not only left thie body but seen and heard things in other hospital rooms which have later been verified? Are all these people liars? How can you hallucinate factual observations in physcial locations in which your body is not present?
Atheist Answer: 

Do read my comments in the original question where I explain that there is very likely a difference between a brain which is dying, or almost dying, and one which is not. One might expect the experiences of the former to be somewhat unique, no?

Regardless of what a patient's religion is, if they're in the news we read then they're in a country where if the Christian concept of the afterlife, if not widely believed, is at least widely known. The reason why even non-Christians' experiences may feature Heaven and Hell (that's where you're going with this, right?) is most likely a simple unconscious association of these ideas with death. It doesn't denote belief, and it certainly doesn't speak to reality more than any dream does.

As for factual observations of things not visible or audible to the patient (which is getting into the more general field of out-of-body experiences), those are exactly the events which have not been verified. There are stories of course, but nothing that it's actually possible to pin down and say, "This happened."

Disagree with me? Then don't just wave your hand at the world and say the evidence is out there. That shows us nothing. Go find some concrete examples and link to them in a comment (use HTML links please, as in a href), so that we can do our own research and come to our own conclusions. Make an effort.

That's not just to Iens, it's to everybody. Show us what you've got.

- SmartLX


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I liked your reply (and completley agree with you), to lens on the near death experience. Like so many people who are gullible enough to believe any thing that appeals to their pre conceived way of reasoning in these matters, they accept, with out due research, the truth of an article based on the article itself saying that it is the truth. Yes I am an atheist. I was raised in a religious family and went to church and sunday school every week untill I was in my early twenties.I have read the bible many times and understand it's philosophy and meaning completley.I regaurd the entire old and new testaments as nothing but a work of fiction and supersticous nonsence. I started "waking Up" to the truth in my early twenties when I saw the conflict and absolute contradictions in the bible. This led to much research on all matters pertaining to gods and religion which is an eye opener and wake up call to any one who really wants to know the truth. I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, with all the tools and information that are available to get to the truth that so many buy into this outlandish rubbish the religious media push into peoples brains.

My near death experience led to atheism

When i was eight years old, I nearly choked to death on a Whopper. I didn't even like whoppers. I just used to suck off all of the chocolate and spit out the middle part. One day, while I was doing this, I sucked down the whopper and began to choke.

At first, I panicked, I ran around trying to get help from my family members. After a little while the frantic forms of my mother and brother began to become indistinct. I could still see them, but they seemed far away. I no longer felt my body and I began to feel weightless (I know now that this was probably due to the lack of oxygen to my brain, but i will stick to my understanding of what was happening during the time it was happening for now, in order to reflect the events more accurately.)It was at that moment that I knew I was going to die. Once it became a certainty, I was no longer panicking, not that i had the energy or ability to anymore, at that point. I only felt a hint of regret that I would die so young, but no fear.

I began to lose consciousness. I did not see a tunnel of light or any of the other miracles that other people report. Nor did I see the blackness of ordinary unconsciousness. What I saw was grayness that was lighter in the middle, like a gradient. Something a religious person could easily mistake for a light and then the lightness began to fade to a dull gray. I DID feel a sense of comfort, but I knew even then that it was not the same comfort that came from a parent; the type someone would expect from their god. I felt like I was high, at least high enough to feel comfortable about dying. Then, I remember coming to again. There was NOTHING on the "other side" that I saw.

Now, most of you reading this will probably think i'm making it up. What has amazed me throughout my life is that people have a harder time believing my story than an outrageous fairy tale involving mythical creatures and the meaning of life. I understand that this is because WANT to believe that life is eternal and that they can having meaningful reunions with their dead family members, but I know what I experienced was as close to death as most people ever come that live to tell about it.

I just wanted to post this story, because you won't hear it anywhere else. While I'm sure that there are other people
out there with stories like mine, they simple aren't remarkable enough to gain a lot of attention. Let's face it, when people ask: "What happens when you die?" The last thing they want to hear is:"You die."

As a final note, I would just like to address the question of how people know what's happening in the room around them
while they're having their experience. Well, I still knew what my family members were doing before I lost consciousness- for lack of a better description- because my mind was still active. I wasn't breathing and I'm pretty sure I wasn't blinking. To any casual observer, I would have appeared dead, but I was still aware of my surroundings because my brain had enough oxygen to function momentarily. I felt weightless because my brain disconnected itself from my body in an effort to stay alive. And, finally, when it was time to die, my brain released endorphins to comfort me in my last moments. It's not what people want to hear about death, but what I experienced, I found out later, is exactly what someone should expect to experience with a normal brain.

The only explanation I can think of for the differences between my experience and those of other people is that perhaps their brains produce a more hallucinogenic type or amount of endorphins than mine, or, since many of the stories come from people in hospitals, it could be an interaction between the endorphins and the painkillers they're on ( double-dose of endorphins! THAT will make ANYONE think they've seen God.)

So, there's my story. Take from it what you will, but from the day of MY NDE, I've been a die-hard atheist, trying to make the most of the days I have left because once its over, it's REALLY over.

A study being done.

Thanks for sharing your story.

I've heard of a hospital that is doing a study to see if people do have some sort of out of body consciousness by placing a shelf with some sort of detailed design on it high above the bed in critical care units. When a person dies and is revived, they will see if the patient describes the design or not.

I cannot remember where this is being done and did not try to Google it before writing this.

Thank goodness for endorphines. I had someone very dear to me die alone in a plane crash. A part broke in the plane's wing, and there was nothing he could do. He likely had about 12 to 15 seconds of nosedive. It is torturous for me to think of his last moments (when this happened out of the blue). He was very young too. I hope his brain chemicals came to his rescue in some way.