9/11 foretold in the Bible. Do you believe it?

There is a man named Larry Ammons that wrote a book and he claims that 9/11 was foretold in the bible. I asked this question before in a facebook group. He told me that this is proof of God because he believes the bible predicted 9/11. Revelation 9/11 The Seventh Plague 36 facts that prove the attack on the World Trade center was Foretold in the Bible’s book of revelation by Larry Ammons Now I will try to summarize the “36 facts” that the author is talking about in the book. Look at Revelation 17 verse 7 up to the end of revelation 18 in the bible 1) Were there seven mountains on which the women sat? The WTC had exactly seven buildings , they weren’t little they were mountainous . 2) Were there seven kings, five that have fallen, one that is and one yet to come? This means the seventh king, (44th president of the U.S) will continue for a short time. When the WTC was built Gerald Ford was the president, then Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, “One is” George W. Bush. It says the seventh king as not yet to come. Ammons looks at Rev 17 verse 10 “And there are seven kings: five have fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh he must continue a short space.” So the 44th president will not do a full term. The 45th president will be the anti-christ, look at rev 17 verse 11. 3) Were there ten kings? The two planes that hit the WTC had 10 terrorists. A king rules over people, these ten men ruled over everyone in both airplanes. 4) Did the ten terrorists have power as kings for one hour? At 8:03 am the terrorists got up and started their duty and at 9:03 the last plane flight 175 crashed into the south tower of the WTC 5) Were the kings of one mind? Each terrorist read the exact same letter of religious brain washing over and over until they had it memorized. So if all ten men had the same things memorized, they were of “one mind” 6) Did the ten kings hate the WTC? Look at rev 17 verse 16b. These men hated the WTC center so much that they flew two planes into it and killing themselves. 7) Did the ten kings not have a kingdom? They were in the air (in the airplanes) so they had no land thus they had no kingdom 8) Did the WTC reign over the kings of the earth’s trade? Look at rev 17 verse 18. 28 nations had offices in the WTC, everything that was traded by ships, was traded through the WTC. 9) Were these peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues in the WTC? The WTC had people from 28 nations working in her, 28 different peoples and tongues in one place. Can any other city in the world beat that? If so, I would like to know where that place is. 10) Did the WTC sit on many waters? Yes, Hudson river (315 miles long, upper New York Bay, Jamaica Bay, Gardiners Bay, Lower New York Bay and others. The Hudson river caused an underground water problem, they had to pump the water out and seal it with cement before they started to work on the construction 11) Was the WTC divided into three parts? One part was the seven WTC buildings, the second was the sixteen acre plaza, the third part was underneath which was the shopping mall, the underground transit. 12) Did people come out of the WTC before her collapse? The WTC had 50,000 people working there, all but 2,749 came out of her. 13) Was the WTC’s plagues doubled? Two planes crashed into the WTC. 14) Was she utterly burnt with fire? A study was done and it stated that all seven buildings suffered extensive fire damage. 15) Did her plagues come in one day? On 9/11 the WTC was destroyed. 16) Did the kings of the earth see her burn? The “whole world” saw her burn because it was on television. 17) “What is like this great city?” Is it true that nothing on earth was like the WTC, yes. The WTC was a landmark for New York. 18) Did the merchants weep and mourn for her? Look at rev 18 versus 11. They wept because they saw their business go up in smoke, they cried because they had a sweet deal going on in the WTC. 19) Did her judgment come in one hour? Ammons says “I took business law in college and found out that a judgment is a process of different action leading up to a verdict. The ten terrorists did a “process” of different action in their hour of power that lead up to their verdict: death and destruction.” 20) Did the WTC trade the merchandise written in rev 18 versus 12 and 13? Look at the diversity of the products, gold, and silver, fine linen and silk, flour, wheat, oil, and cattle. Where do you shop to find linen and cattle together? The only place that all the world’s products could possibly be traded would have to be a WTC. 21) Was everything burned in the fire? Everything had fire damage. Nothing was saved 22) Did every shipmaster that traveled by sea see her burn? Satellite television. 23) Was every shipmaster, standing at a far distance? When the twin towers collapsed, debris shot out for blocks and blocks. The only real way to avoid the debris was to board a boat and move out away from it. 24) Was the city thrown down with violence? The planes hit them with a violent speed of 124 miles per hour and they came down with violence to say the least. 25) Was the sound of music stopped? Look at rev 18 versus 22a. There was recorded music played on speakers in the 16 acre plaza. When the WTC came down the music stopped. 26) Were all the craftsmen gone and could not be found in her? Fact; there were craftsmen there. Fact; they are gone. Everyone is gone. 27) Was the sound of a millstone not heard in her any more? The sound of a milestone came from trains under the WTC. The six level basement they were in was completely destroyed. So no more do we hear the sound of the millstone. 28) Were all the WTC lights out? The electrical power was destroyed so no power, no lights. 29) Was the voice of bridegroom and bride gone and not heard anymore? Rev 18 versus 23b. Windows on the World restaurant that was on top of the North Tower of the WTC was the place where the wedding receptions were held. 30) Did the terrorists make war with the lamb? The lamb is referring to Jesus. The Muslims do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, this is a holy war we’re fighting against the terrorists. Ammons continues saying “There’s a book out called “God is not great” It’s by an atheist who says the problems and wars of this world are caused by people’s belief in their gods. Well, in this case the terrorists belief in their god “is” causing problems.” 31) Did great hail fall upon men, every hailstone about the weight of a talent? When the WTC fell the intense heat caused large sections of metal to rain down from the Towers. People had to run away. 32) Did every island flee away? The six level basement of the WTC was destroyed, and later trucked away. So yes, the islands fled away in trucks. 33) Did the nation of the world share in her wealth? Companies from 28 nations shared in her wealth. Business corporations to 28 nations fell into sin. 34) Were the mountains “not found?” The seven buildings were brought down. 35) Did the planes fly into the WTC towers with violence the way the angel showed John when he cast the stone, shaped like a great millstone, into the sea? The two airplanes hit the buildings with great force. 36) Was the WTC a city? The WTC sat on a giant 16 acre plaza. It was so large it had its own zip code and power plant. Most buildings were off limits to the general public, you needed clearance badges to enter. Back in the time of John, some 2,000 years ago, they had walled cities to keep the people safe from enemy attacks. They had two big doors that were opened during the day to let commerce in and out, but at night they were closed. Just like the WTC was closed and guarded at night especially since the 1993 bombing of the parking lot basement. That is it. Now 2 people have pointed out that predictions should be made before the event not after. That is reasonable, that way it is easier to interpret these versus. Ammons actually said that the reason nobody has been able to explain the 7th plague because it had not happened and he said that only God knew what those versus really meant (you might laugh at that). Also some may be wondering why the WTC? Ammons explains that the trading that was going on made a lot of products more expensive. God got mad at this and decided to destroy the WTC. Things like the price of oil went up, the price of houses went up, and corporations were price fixing. That is it. Are you a believer now or are you on the floor laughing?
Atheist Answer: 

Hey BB. Don't worry about the spacing; it's not possible in the question field. In future, if you've got a large hunk of text to paste, put it in a comment.

I don't believe, but I'm not on the floor laughing either because many people do believe this stuff.

9/11 was also predicted, according to some people, by Nostradamus and/or by the Quran, and various other ancient sources too. For some it's only an oblique reference, for some it's purely a hoax. The Bible-based prophecy claim has easily had the most effort put into it.

The convenient thing about the tragedy is that the world's premier business centre has enough trades, commodities, people, money and numbers associated with it that you could connect just about anything to it if you are loose enough. Honestly, presidents and terrorists as kings?

On a more general note, this isn't the first event which people have claimed, after the fact, was predicted someplace. The real test of a prophet is whether you can take prophecies which have not yet come true, and use them to predict future events.

Project this back to the year 2000: if the connection to the WTC was so clear, why weren't evangelicals all over the world warning the American government of an impending attack on it? What's the point of a public prophecy if only the source understands it?

Consider the present day: Ammons has gone ahead and predicted that Obama won't serve a full term, and his successor will be the anti-Christ. If Obama leaves early, that'll be Joe Biden. This is something we can test. Therefore all we have to do is wait. I'm optimistic, because somehow I don't see Biden being the one who wants to damn us all.

Edit: On the other hand I'm really worried, because it's a dangerous prediction to make on Biblical authority. Remember the throngs of evangelicals at Sarah Palin's campaign rallies who seethed with hatred for Obama based on completely false premises? Well, now some of them may see an opportunity to fulfil an ancient prophecy, and please God, by ousting or murdering the President. If someone with any legal knowledge reads this, let us know: might Ammons therefore be guilty of incitement?

- SmartLX


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i'm sorry for no spacing. i

i'm sorry for no spacing. i don't know how to put spacing.

Can I just say "Psht" and

Can I just say "Psht" and answer this a little more simply? :P

Revelation "foretells" the end of the world: The world has not ended, so Revelations couldn't have been referring to the WTC. Regardless of whether or not there were similarities, imagined or otherwise, the world HAS NOT ENDED.

Fun times :)

Too simply.

Maybe that's answering it a bit too simply, mate.

The point of this kind of propaganda is to convince people that the world has begun to end, because this generates the level of fear and insecurity that creates converts. It's super effective, too; generation after generation of the devout have believed that the Rapture and Tribulation would occur within a lifetime, against all precedent and no matter how many false dates go by.

being right and an idiot or being wrong but reasonable

9/11 fortold in the Bible - Do you believe it ?

In your article about the WTC, you state that a prophesy is easy to get interpreted afterwards but that prophesies can be only convincing if they allow to predict events. And then, why didn't' t we do THAT ?

Well, I just give you my comment about John Revelation 17-18 I wrote about 1995 :

- 'Babylon', 'Bab-El' in Aramaic written as B-B-L , literally the "door of heaven", allusion to skyscrapers
- 'the big B-B-L' or Big Apple . Numerical value in Aramaic letters 666. [please note that in Aramaic B and P are identical].
- 'sitting on many waters' on the confluent and estuary of the Hudson and other rivers
- 'the seaman will see her fall' thus a coast city
- 'dressed in purple' thus an extremely rich city which attributes herself the kingdom
- 'the kings and great merchants of the earth will weep her fall' for she is the center of power, UN and Wall Street.

For these reasons I predicted since 1995 the fall of New York. Please excuse me I was wrong. Needless to say people did consider me as a lunatic.

And THAT is the essential of prophesy. If the prophesy is right and you believe and point to it in the (almost) exact way before it turns out, people consider you completely nuts. I hope this will answer your objection.

Well, as you say, you

Well, as you say, you weren't quite on the money. New York didn't fall. Three of its thousands of skyscrapers did. Eventually. Referring to my prophecy primer, this one goes under 1. High Probability of Success for the lack of a timeframe and extremely large target (New York City) and 4. Shoehorned for the linguistic acrobatics linking Babylon to it.

Yes, you are very likely to be thought mad for making predictions. Unfortunately you just have to ride it out until you're vindicated, and hope you're accurate.

Out of curiosity, Willibrord, where did you make your prediction in 1995?

911 is not foretold in the bible with those correlations

Are the events bible foretold? NO because every prophesy has a warning, god sends a prophet to warn people..needless that most people might ignore a warining until it is too late. God is love and would not destroy innocent people which many were in those tragic events, even the firefighters the policeman that were killed and work without selfishness. The connections were made after the fact! If it were true A group of people( evangilists) would have warned people of it befoe it occured. Most importantly those connections re not of god b/c Rev17:17 says God put it into their hearts to carry out their one thought. God would not place a thought in the minds of terrorsits to destroy innocent people. Terrorists of which serve a false god( false because god does not promote those behaviors of suicide boming and violence against eachother along with hatred) That alone shuts everything down...Lets not forget THE DEVIL can make things seem true when they are NOT. Genisis3:1-3:24 prooves that..he decieved eve and told her she would not die if she ate from the tree..in which god condemned and she then contaminateded adam with her sin and death comes to all because of it.Its hard for people to believe in religion when the devil has confused so many people. realize that if you believe in those"correlations" they are not of GOD..and of the Devil which wants you to be confused, or angry with god because he doesnt have long left.

Another angle

Well, this is a completely different angle. While I'm countering the argument for the existence of God from the premise of accurate predictions, JW is arguing against the predictions from the premise of the existence of God. Our points are the same: 9/11 was not the intended subject of any divine prophecy, or evangelists would have given a timely warning.

Why, JW, does the devil apparently have free rein to cause all of this suffering, when God's right there with the power to stop him?

Reminds me of a conversation

Reminds me of a conversation a friend told me about: "Why would God allow Satan to do all the horrible things he does when he has power over everything?"

"Well, ultimately he won't. He IS going to stop him."

"So, what's he waiting for?!"

frightneing point

hello im new here but ive been reading these questions for the past few days. SmartLX your mentioning that some lunitic killing obama is quite scary and possible. what if it does happen? there is so much riding on Obama. im begining to hear bad things about him now. not to mention racial problems amongst people. now religion will probably get involved too. *sigh* tis a sad world indeed. sorry for any misspelling. wasnt ace in spelling.


In practical terms, I think Obama's chances of serving out his term are very good. There are many racist, ultra-nationalist, criminal and religious rationales which might make certain people want to get rid of him, but he and his circle always knew this was the case. For the next 4-8 years the Secret Service will be on Obama like a fat kid on cake (assuming the fat kid loves cake) and any would-be assassins will have their work cut out for them.

There's another big deterrent: Obama is not just popular but loved by a lot of people in America and the world over. It's as much for what he represents as who he is. Any group which claimed credit or took the blame for killing him would be vilified, probably outlawed and hounded out of the country, even out of existence. All the factions against Obama are likely hoping someone else will be that group.

Now that he's on the job, of course you're not going to like every single thing you hear about him. Firstly he's only human, secondly his politics probably don't agree exactly with yours and thirdly the conservatives are pumping out negative press for him.

All up, I think things are going well in the White House for now. It's up to Obama himself to keep it that way.